Sankhya Infotech Chairman Interview !!!

As requested by numerous readers, posting Sankhya’s Chairman’s interview as posted on India Infoline website (IIFL).

Sridhar N, Chairman & MD, Sankhya Infotech Limited

Anil Mascarenhas,  IIFL | Mumbai | February 17, 2017 14:33 IST
Sridhar N, Chairman & MD, Sankhya Infotech Limited

Sridhar N, Chairman and Managing Director, Sankhya Infotech Limited, is a graduate in Computer Science and has nearly 30 years of experience of providing leadership direction for the growth of the company. Starting with a mere Rs 20,000 investment, he has spearheaded the rise of Sankhya as a global name in the field of simulation and training.

Sankhya Infotech Limited is a leading cloud based learning and training management solution provider across nine domains that has empowered over 1.5 million users across 50 global locations spread in four continents. The company has a unique distinction of offering the complete range of technology-based solutions for eLearning, simulation and training management system that includes learning management and online assessment systems. Sankhya has strong Aerospace & Defense focus and caters to Energy, BFSI, Medical and Manufacturing domains.

Replying to Anil Mascarenhas of IIFL, Sridhar N says, “Sankhya is set to launch two technological breakthroughs that would herald a new dimension in the way professional training is imparted and we strongly believe that we ride on the strong surge of Internet of Things.”

Give us a brief overview of the training and education solutions industry?
Globally, self-paced training and education has become the key to success of any industry. To address the four goals of improving competency, rapid scalability, reducing cost and improving compliance, industry has adapted eLearning and other training and simulation solutions. Simulation and technology-based training have cut the barriers of high tech aerospace industry and they are getting adopted in Medical, Manufacturing, Energy and even Education sectors at a rapid pace.

Many corporations report that e-Learning is their most valuable training method which they use. This is no surprise, given that businesses save at least 50% when they replace traditional instructor based training with e-Learning. Not to mention that there is a 60% cut down on instruction time.

Market size of self-paced learning is US $ 56 billion, and is seeing 23.5% CAGR. Market size of modeling and simulation industry is US $ 9.6 billion and it is moving at a 29% CAGR. The military simulation market will continue to be led by the US and major European states, however, their position as leading national markets will be challenged by emerging powers in the Middle East and Asia in the years to come.

What are the trends in this industry and how are you poised to capture the benefits?
Technology is profoundly influencing the way people educate and train. Further, concepts of just-in-time learning are enabling creative solutions for trainees and trainers. Sankhya is the only company in India that has solutions that address the four goals through eLearning, Simulation, Learning & Training Management System platforms. We are at a stage to launch two technological breakthroughs that would herald a new dimension in the way professional training is imparted and we strongly believe that we ride on the strong surge of Internet of Things. Therefore, we strongly believe that the timing to reach out to investment community at large is right.

Sankhya is different in many ways in comparison to its domestic and international competitors. The fact that the company happens to be the only one to offer an entire range of products and services makes it unique. The company is working very hard to keep the gap of technology and features of its offering so large that none of its competitors can replicate its strategy within a three to five year horizon.

What are the opportunities and challenges being faced?
Sankhya’s philosophy has been to provide comprehensive cutting edge technology based training solution to its customers in diverse sectors. The company has earned marquee Fortune 500 customers from diverse sectors of industry by successfully implementing this philosophy.

Opportunities are abounding for Sankhya as it offers a blend of products and services that fulfill the end to end requirements of customers. New and unexplored sectors beckon at the company creating a unique market place for Sankhya.

As the company charts to grow, presence of marketing and sales in multiple geographies is a one of the challenge, however, the company is planning to expand its foot print by appointing resellers rather than having direct presence.

Artificial intelligence (AI) is gaining prominence. Are your courses providing any inputs to update skill sets to deal with such changes?
Two areas are emerging to disrupt the technology market space. Analytics and Artificial Intelligence. These two areas offer to bridge the space of reactive technology to predictive and going forward proactive or adaptive technologies.

In 2003, Sankhya earned Emirates as its customer, and in April 9, 2004 there was an incident to one of Emirates aircraft. Way then Sankhya’s flagship product “Training Management System” had an analytics tool that helped the airline to understand the key cause of the incident.  Therefore, the company had the clairvoyance to identify Analytics as a key to success in future nearly 14 years ago.

Similarly, over the years the company worked hard to adopt Artificial Intelligence in the simulators that we have built.

Till now, the company provided Analytics and AI through its software products, now the company is seeing the immense scope in providing services in Analytics and AI in a big way

What is the revenue break-up from various segments?
The company has three business models under the B2B Category, they are product license, Master Services Agreement, and Annual maintenance services. Master Services Agreement contributes to 70% followed by 20% in product license and 10% in Annual maintenance services of overall business.

What would be the triggers for growth in this industry?
Gartner identifies simulation based learning as the Top 10 Strategic Technologies. Over 41.7% of global Fortune 500 companies now use some form of educational technology to instruct employees during formal learning hours, and that figure is only going to steadily increase in future years.

Global trends indicate that learner patterns are more demanding than the past, appetite to learn is seen to grow as technological advancements are rapid. To stay ahead of the curve, people would demand more predictive and adaptive learning.

This surge is what companies such as Sankhya have as the biggest opportunity for growth.

What kind of expertise have you acquired to design the course material and keep it updated with the changing times and requirements. How many hours of training material do you have?
We are in the business of enabling organization to achieve that goal by keeping its associates well-trained and skilled using technology and ingenuity of simulation and virtual training. Sankhya has a unique distinction of offering the complete range of technology-based solutions for eLearning, simulation, and training management system that includes learning management and online assessment systems.

We have developed high fidelity courses of over 14,000 hours for diverse fields, we developed over 20 different types of defense simulators; our virtual reality lab has developed four products in immersive simulation technology.

The best of Sankhya is yet to be unveiled in the area of Analytics and Artificial Intelligence based immersive simulation technology.

Which are the verticals you cater to? How is the course structure? Does it differ drastically across verticals?
Sankhya has strong aerospace, defense focus, and caters to energy, BFSI, medical and manufacturing domains serving Fortune 500 customers in over 50 locations, spread in four continents. We take pride in serving the Indian Army and Indian Navy by providing training solutions.

The company also serves the defense forces of three large nations and some of the best defense organizations in the world. Our training technology covers energy, medical, aerospace, defense, banking, education, and such diverse domains.

The company’s training technology is being used by every airframe manufacturer in the world, large defense organizations, ultra large energy companies, medical companies and over 53% of all Bank employees in India use the company’s solutions.

Share some anecdotes on the work you have done with International and domestic customers?
When Etihad Airways had to adhere to the strict regulatory compliance requirement of “Evidence Based Training” across nine of its partner airlines covering nearly 50,000 crew, we solved the challenge with our TMS (Training Management Solution). Emirates was able to conduct blended training and do extensive training data analysis. TMS was able to show the highest ROI against all other products considered by Emirates. TMS was selected against products like ORACLE HRMS.

The State Bank Group’s challenge in transition of nearly 400,000 employees to digital learning was a complex task as a single system covering five banks and twelve subsidiaries was to be set up and executed. Sankhya solved the challenge with its online learning and assessment systems by offering a world class solution that is installed on an IBM Z10 main frame and can handle over 25,000 concurrent and 375,000 registered users.

Who are your top 5 clients? How much do they contribute to the revenue?
For nearly past two decades, Sankhya has won and maintained enduring relationships with some of the Fortune 500 companies such as Airbus, Boeing, Emirates Airlines, Etihad Airways, Embraer by providing admirable technology based training and simulation services through repetitive contracts and renewal of Master Agreements. They contribute to almost 80% of the topline.

Brief us on your financials. What is the outlook?
In fiscal year ended March 2016, Sankhya witnessed a topline of Rs 152.93 crore with EBITDA Margin of 7.02% and PAT margin of 4.53%. Whereas, in 9 months period ended December 2016, Sankhya’s revenue is Rs 116.08 crore with EBITDA margin of 10.70% and PAT margin of 3.37%. We are expecting better growth in terms of revenue from here and expect our EBITDA margins to improve to at least 15% to 17% by FY18.

You have a host of offerings via simulations. Could you briefly touch upon the same?
Sankhya offers three categories of Simulation solutions, and they are covered in three industrial areas. The first set is desktop based simulation solutions these are essentially called as procedural trainers. The second set is a full motion platform based training simulations, these are used both as a procedural trainer and for experimentation of several real-life scenarios. The third category is Immersive VR simulations, these are asset light, but highly immersive and provide tremendous user experience.

What are your capex plans and how would they be funded?
We are preparing a Capex / Opex plan for raising US $ 10 million.

What is the shareholding pattern of the company? Any plans to sell stake?
The promoter holding is 24.12% as on Dec 2016. Promoters would be keen to increase their stake in a number of ways.

God Bless !!!
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122 Responses to Sankhya Infotech Chairman Interview !!!

  1. Jyotika says:

    I am placing order but unable to buy. What should I do?? Is it still a good buy??

  2. Akshay says:

    Thanq for the update

  3. Niraj Bhagtani says:

    Hi Ace,

    How are you ?

    What are your views on the Current GDP number published by the government. So it show the real picture?

    Do you think economy is really growing at 7%. Do you think such a high valuation for Nifty is Justified.
    Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

    • Niraj Bhagtani says:

      Does it shows the Real Picture *

      • Niraj Bhagtani says:

        Because it is extremely hard to believe that even after demonization we grew at 7 percent … Atleast the ground reality doesn’t reflect the same …

        Small and medium scale business not doing well … Somehow I am unable to digest these numbers ?

        What are your views do you think the numbers are correct?

        • there are two economies in india as far as i know…the parallel economy was devastated… and some migration from parallel to formal economy cannot be ruled out.so in my own sense, i do not doubt it. anyways, again, this is my own personal take.

  4. Ynrai says:

    Hi Ace,

    Appreciate your view on Daikaffil Chemicals.

    Thanks

  5. AK says:

    thanks aceji

  6. Mayuresh says:

    The company has had a good products but has hardly seen momentum in the market. Is it at its inflection point?

  7. Kunal says:

    Hi Ace,
    Any view on Axiscades Engg from similar sector?

  8. U Sundar says:

    Dear Sir,
    Your opinion on South Indian Bank rights issue
    With regards,
    U Sundar

  9. Saurabh says:

    Sir, can you suggest a potential multibagger stock? A stock whose business model inspires you to invest into it.?
    I can wait for 2-3 years.

  10. manishkela says:

    Hi Ace investor.

    I was an investor in Wanbury for almost 2 years but sold my holding after the disastrous financial performance last year, especially on account of declining sales.

    However the good performance since the last 2 quarters and your multibagger view on the stock made me enter this stock once again.

    Interest cost has come down to 15.5 for the 9 months of this FY crores from a high of 31.87 crores for the entire last year FY for Wanbury. Any reason as to how and why has the interest cost come down. Also will we get to see a flattish or a downtrend in the Interest cost going forward…

    what is the status on the payment to bondholders…is the company converting the bonds to equity shares..if yes, what would be the conversion price. If not, when are the bonds due for redemption?

    Wanbury last year was under the lens for illegal export of metformin hydrochloride. Doesn’t this have a risk of suspension of manufacturing license…

    Sales of Wanbury last FY were down significantly. This year though atleast the topline has been good especially since the last 2 quarters. Would you know as to what was the reason behind the degrowth in sales last Fy…

  11. UMESH NARAYAN says:

    hi ace yr view on shiva cements

  12. UMESH NARAYAN says:

    hi ace due you track ducon infra, moschip , mrss and kerla ayurved

  13. BIRSHA HALDER says:

    Hi Ace, what do you think about Innovative tech?

  14. RAVINDRA VERMA says:

    hi ace your view on vatech wabag,parag milk and quickheal

  15. acefollower says:

    Thanks you posting many interesting ideas for the benefit of me and all your followers. Since many days no new idea have been posted by you. Sir, have you not found any interesting idea till now or you are expecting correction in the market and hence not giving any idea.

  16. Ankush panwar says:

    Share your views for Manali petrochemicals ltd.

  17. Sreeram says:

    What is take on Himalaya International. Sreeram

  18. Jp says:

    Dear Ace, please give your views on GNA axle… Thanks

  19. skdc14 says:

    Dear Ace,
    You have given many stock ideas and most of them are doing very well. Sir do you have any plans to give us any new stock.?
    Thanks.

  20. Suneetha says:

    Plz share your view on Wockhard. Thanks in advance !

  21. pradeep says:

    —–Moderated——

  22. Roshan says:

    Hi ace how is virinchi

  23. nicegem007 says:

    Hi Ace,
    I am one of your fans. It is just an observation that for the whole year of 2016, we got only TWO recommendations, BSL and JHSSL. Also missing the GST series…

  24. Vipul says:

    Hi Ace – Is it okay to enter BSL, JHS Labs & Garware Wall Ropes at current prices from a 2-3 yr perspective? I am new to your blog and found the above interesting

  25. Puru Ji says:

    Thanks for sharing this link… So further growth prospects are:
    Capex plan along with raising 65/66 cr and Increase of promoter holding in future.

  26. Niks says:

    Dear Ace, Thank you for a wonderful blog and for being a wonderful human too. I have read Common stocks and uncommon profits, One up on WS, and I am trying to understand The Intellligent Investor. Any good book you recommend, especially by an Indian author ? Would be grateful if you can guide me. Best wishes

  27. PRABAKARAN KULANDAIVEL says:

    Ace,

    Please share your views on Palred Technology..

    Thanks,
    Praba

  28. Anirban says:

    sir please share your view on alps industries and kallam spinning

  29. Sachin says:

    Ace,
    Please give your views on pg foil.

  30. Senthil Kumar says:

    Hello Sir,

    Could you please your view on Edelweiss.

  31. devika says:

    Sir why is the opm going down yoy and why has the promoter reduced stake.
    Also need your views on vidhi dyestuff and alpa labs

  32. skrai81 says:

    Dear Ace,
    What is your view on PARNAX LAB LTD, ADF Foods and Byke Hospitality

    Thanks, Santosh

  33. MJ says:

    Any views on International combustion and Avantel ?

  34. sudershan says:

    sir whats ur view on purvankara, kirloskar ferro and harr

  35. ravverma says:

    ur view on tera software,panama petro,intellect design.

  36. Ravi says:

    Sir can i enter katwa udyog at this price

  37. ravverma says:

    hi ur view on chamanlal setia,karnatka bank and shilpa medicare .thanks.

  38. MJ says:

    Ace ,
    What is your view on Piramal enterprises and Max ventures ? Thanks

  39. vinod says:

    Dear Ace,

    Your views on revival of oldest paint brand “Jenson & Nicholson” under current market competition.

    Thank you in advance

  40. MJ says:

    Ace ,
    What’s your view on paper cos like Yash , Star and Nirvikara ?
    MJ

  41. Senthil says:

    Dear Ace,

    What’s your view on Tamil Nadu petro?

    Thanks,
    Senthil

  42. Jyotika says:

    Ace ur views on Setco Auto and Schneider

  43. ravverma says:

    hi ace ur view on lykis.

  44. Nitin says:

    Ace,ur view on IFB agro,gm breweries,PTC India finance?

  45. skdc14 says:

    Dear Ace, Will the farm Loan waving programmes have any impact on Bharat Fin ?
    Thanks

  46. BhanuMurty says:

    Hi Ace,
    Wish you a very happy , healthy and prosperous Hevalambi New year

  47. AK says:

    hi ace, ur view on deccan gold mines…. it seems its finally going to make revenue soon..

  48. Parthiban says:

    Ace, what is your view on Aries agro?

  49. Arun Kumar Singh says:

    Hi ACE
    It view on Saksoft and Vedvaag..both seems to have good growth on account of increasing digitization and government focus on e governance

  50. abhinav says:

    Sir, can I have your view on kingfa science? It has corrected a lot from highs. Thanks in advance.

  51. Milan says:

    Hi Ace, ur views on Gufic Biosciences?

  52. Silja says:

    Aceji, your view on RS Software?

  53. Silja says:

    Also your views on Refex Industries and Surana Solar (especially considering the solar push from govt)

  54. ganesh says:

    Hi Ace,
    what is your view on dilip buildcon at current valuations for long term considering there would be lot of infrastructure spending by government in coming years?

  55. ravverma says:

    hi ace whats ur view on ufo movies and between ufo and pressman which one is better at current level.

  56. saravanfbi says:

    Hi Ace,
    Already promoter stake in DGML was adjusted to low after rights issue. And they keep selling at open markets and their stake keeps reducing. Should this be a matter of concern in your opinion with no improvement in story after Ganajur ML?

  57. skrai81 says:

    Dear Sir,
    What is your view on Advani Hotels.

    Thanks, Santosh

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